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  I need some help ! (live in London)

  by caath in

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  hi, my name is catarina and im portuguese.. in portugal the sitiuacion of the country is hard.

  i want work in ingland (in london), but i dont have any family or friends there.

  so i remember then in the meetings of jeovah's witnesses we sometimes talk about the brothers and sisthers all aver the world.

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  It's just goes to show that talking to JWs is like talking to a brickwall
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  I need some help ! (live in London)

  by caath in

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  hi, my name is catarina and im portuguese.. in portugal the sitiuacion of the country is hard.

  i want work in ingland (in london), but i dont have any family or friends there.

  so i remember then in the meetings of jeovah's witnesses we sometimes talk about the brothers and sisthers all aver the world.

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  it's just goes to show that talking to a JW is like talking to a brick wall
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  Can You Make A Image Of The Governing Body Riding "The Wild Beast" UN?

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

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  how would someone photoshop the governing body riding the wild beast from the revelation climax book?

  i will print and pass out hundreds if i can get a good photo of this.

  let's preach "religion is a snare and a racket" .

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  raymond frantz

  what irondork said ,save the name till the last sentence if you want maximum results
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  Dear watchtower bible and tract society, governing body, and all of your twisted teachings...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

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  after today's watchtower study which was basically a mind controlling article about shunning your loved disfellowshipped ones, i've come to see just how sick, twisted, vile, rotten, repulsive, disgusting, and just plain evil you all are.

  so i stormed out.

  i don't know if i'll ever come back to your meetings again.

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  Is not difficult to fight them back .They have one type of approach for the public (Awake,WT public edition,jw.org) and one to bid the flock (WT STUDY ,Jeremiah book etc.) .all you have to do is use the publicutions used for the public against them
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  Dear watchtower bible and tract society, governing body, and all of your twisted teachings...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

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  after today's watchtower study which was basically a mind controlling article about shunning your loved disfellowshipped ones, i've come to see just how sick, twisted, vile, rotten, repulsive, disgusting, and just plain evil you all are.

  so i stormed out.

  i don't know if i'll ever come back to your meetings again.

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  It was impossible to sit there being taught this vomit so I had to prepare the following comments on shunning and education which I had the fortune to comment at the beginning of each subtitle ,they effectively set the pace for the rest comments that followed discrediting all this pile of manipulation .If the Watchtower Contactor's eyes could kill I would have been incinerated on the spot .These comments were taken directly from the Watchtower publications:

  SHUNNING: The official website of Jehovah's Witnesses ,under the title :" Do You Shun Former Members of Your Religion?"has the following to say :Those who were baptized as Jehovah's Witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned. In fact, we reach out to them and try to rekindle their spiritual interest.What of a man who is disfellowshipped but whose wife and children are still Jehovah's Witnesses? The religious ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings continue.

  http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/

  The July 2009 Awake ,page 29 ,under the title "IsItWrongtoChangeYourReligion? " has the following to say :Although the Bible makes a clear distinction between true and false teachings, God allows each person the freedom to choose how he or she will respond. (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20) No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family. Does study of the Bible lead to family breakup? No. In fact, the Bible encourages a husband and wife who practice different religions to remain together as a family.-1 Corinthians 7:12, 13.

  EDUCATION :

  The brochure especially designed for schools and teachers Jehovah's Witnesses and education under the title "How Jehovah's Witnesses view education" has the following to say :Like all parents, Jehovah's Witnesses are concerned about their children's future. They therefore attach great importance to education. "Education should help people become useful members of society. It should also help them develop an appreciation of their cultural heritage and live more satisfying lives."AS THIS quotation from TheWorldBookEncyclopedia suggests, one of the main aims of schooling is to train children for day-to-day living, which includes enabling them to care for the needs of a family one day. Jehovah's Witnesses believe this is a sacred responsibility. The Bible itself says: "Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith." (1 Timothy 5:8) The years spent at school prepare children for the responsibilities they will take on in life. Accordingly, Witnesses feel that education should be taken very seriously.
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  Dear watchtower bible and tract society, governing body, and all of your twisted teachings...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

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  after today's watchtower study which was basically a mind controlling article about shunning your loved disfellowshipped ones, i've come to see just how sick, twisted, vile, rotten, repulsive, disgusting, and just plain evil you all are.

  so i stormed out.

  i don't know if i'll ever come back to your meetings again.

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  TOTAL VOMIT - USING JEHOVAH AS AN EXCUSE FOR THEIR VILE TEACHINGS-BURN IN HELL GB COWARDS!!!

  FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS

  16, 17. What grievous situation has afflicted many parents, and how do we know that Jehovah understands their pain?

  16 The bond between parent and child is so strong that Jehovah used that relationship to illustrate his own love for his people. (Isa. 49:15) It is normal, therefore, to be deeply grieved when a beloved family member leaves Jehovah. "I was devastated," says one sister whose daughter was disfellowshipped. "I wondered, 'Why did she leave Jehovah?' I felt guilty, and I blamed myself."

  17 Jehovah understands your pain. He himself "felt hurt at his heart" when the first member of his human family, and later most people living before the Flood, rebelled. (Gen. 6:5, 6) It may be difficult for those who have never experienced such a loss to appreciate how devastating it can be. Nevertheless, it would be unwise to let the improper course of a disfellowshipped family member distance you from Jehovah. How, then, can you cope with the profound grief that arises when a family member leaves Jehovah?

  18. Why should parents not blame themselves if a child leaves Jehovah?

  18 Do not blame yourself for what happened. Jehovah has put a choice before humans, and each dedicated and baptized family member must "carry his own load" of responsibility. (Gal. 6:5) Ultimately, Jehovah holds the sinner-not you-responsible for his or her choice. (Ezek. 18:20) Also, do not blame others. Respect Jehovah's arrangement for discipline. Take your stand against the Devil-not against shepherds who act to protect the congregation.-1 Pet. 5:8, 9.

  

  It is not wrong to hope that a loved one will return to Jehovah

  19, 20. (a) What can parents of disfellowshipped children do to cope with their grief? (b) What hope do such parents rightly entertain?

  19 On the other hand, if you choose the path of resentment toward Jehovah, you will distance yourself from him. Really, what your beloved family member needs to see is your resolute stance to put Jehovah above everything else-including the family bond. So to cope with the situation, be sure to maintain your own spirituality. Do not isolate yourself from your faithful Christian brothers and sisters. (Prov. 18:1) Pour out your feelings to Jehovah in prayer. (Ps. 62:7, 8) Do not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail. (1 Cor. 5:11) Stay absorbed in spiritual activities. (1 Cor. 15:58) The sister quoted above says, "I know that I must stay busy in Jehovah's service and keep myself in a spiritually strong condition so that when my daughter does come back to Jehovah, I will be in a position to help her."

  20 The Bible says that love "hopes all things." (1 Cor. 13:4, 7) It is not wrong for you to entertain the hope that your loved one will return. Each year, many wrongdoers repent and come back to Jehovah's organization. Jehovah does not begrudge their repentance. On the contrary, he is "ready to forgive."-Ps. 86:5.
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  Urgent one day meeting in Britain ,do you know it was about ?

  by raymond frantz in

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  yestarday all our elders were invited to a one day meeting urgently .i know they had their elders meeting few months ago .does anyone know what it was about .i heard from the grapevine that among other issues disgussed was a)how to deal with disfellowshipped ones and, b) how to offer councel to fellow elders .any elder attended this meeting in britain please feel free to share some info.

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  No Cedars ,nothing to do with memorial arrangements .All elders had to cancel previous arrangements so it must have been something they found out the past week ,it was all elders from the circuit
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  Urgent one day meeting in Britain ,do you know it was about ?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
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  yestarday all our elders were invited to a one day meeting urgently .i know they had their elders meeting few months ago .does anyone know what it was about .i heard from the grapevine that among other issues disgussed was a)how to deal with disfellowshipped ones and, b) how to offer councel to fellow elders .any elder attended this meeting in britain please feel free to share some info.

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  Yestarday all our elders were invited to a one day meeting urgently .I know they had their elders meeting few months ago .Does anyone know what it was about .I heard from the grapevine that among other issues disgussed was a)how to deal with disfellowshipped ones and, b) how to offer councel to fellow elders .Any elder attended this meeting in Britain please feel free to share some info
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  Chat with an ex-bethelite in good standing

  by raymond frantz in

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  i had the following conversation with a brother ex-bethelite ,left in good standing to start a family and currently a po in his congragation .he regularly gives talks in district and circuit assemblies .we go way back so he tollerates my comments but he is a die hard .we had the following conversation recently.

  me:" have you heard about the new light for the fds?

  elder:"...is that something you read in an apostate website?".

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  I had the following conversation with a brother ex-bethelite ,left in good standing to start a family and currently a PO in his congragation .He regularly gives talks in district and circuit assemblies .We go way back so he tollerates my comments but he is a die hard .We had the following conversation recently

  Me:" Have you heard about the new light for the FDS? What to you think?"

  Elder:"...is that something you read in an apostate website?"

  Me:" No, it is on jw.org the new light about the FDS that came out in their last annual meeting that the FDS are now only the 9 brothers in the Head Quarters "

  Elder:"...not only that ,they are the FDS only when the get together as a committee .Do be frank with you I agree with this .There are so many new partakers of the emblems (anointed ) that send letters out to the headquarters telling them about doctrines and policies they don't agree with .They need to bring them down a peg or too."

  Me:"Isn't that wrong? If you had a government of 12000 members and 9 decided one day to takr over without consulting the rest or receiving a mandate ,what would you call that ? A coup d'état "

  Elder:"Let me ask you .Did the 12000 ever had a saying in the decision making of the organisation ?What is your problem now?"

  Me:"...and that makes alright ? Do you know why they came up with this new doctrine ?"

  Elder:" ...you told me before I think ,it was because of this pedophilia case in Australia ,they want to escape the blame so they have to say that they are a theological arrangement .So what ? They do everything they can to protect the organisation .If they have to hide they have to hide"

  Me:" Since when court cases dectate doctrine? Did Paul or Jesus hide to avoid responsibility for their claims? I told you before to have your eyes open .The antichrist is the one that puts himself above Christ and make himself a god..."

  Elder :" ...that is to deep I can't accept that (put the phone down)"
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  Wack ass J-dub apologist channel on YouTube.

  by Joliette in

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  i'm trying to post the video, but the name of the youtube channel is named micheal rankin.

  he suddenly stopped making youtube videos.. can't post in google chrome.. .

  okay, never mind here it goes:.

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  raymond frantz

  gnosis= knowledge , epi-gnosis=accurate knowledge .Paul used both words